you've had people leaving the white house going right to goldman sachs, going right to bp, going right to citigroup. i mean, some of the biggest corporate nemeses in this administration in the first term are now being staffed at the highest levels by people who were staffing the obama administration at the highest -- >> peter orszag, who was obama's -- >> -- director of management and budget director. now at citi. >> high level at citi. jake siewert who was a chief counselor to tim geithner, secretary of treasury -- they were doing all kinds of battle with goldman sachs during the first term, especially after the financial crisis. jake is now the head of communications for goldman sachs. i mean, you -- >> and so, many of them have a connection to someone else who figures prominent in your book, robert rubin. >> yeah, robert rubin -- >> was clinton's treasury secretary. >> there's always been a symbiosis between wall street and washington to some degree. but i think the clinton era introduced a whole new level of magnitude to this. and bob rubin, who was the sort of storied head of gold